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Introduction

Joe the condor(コンドールのジョー） is G2, second in command of the science ninja team Gatchaman. He is more violent and impulsive than Ken the Eagle, his superior, and it shows in his moves, as he routinely makes wild punches and shoots people.

Joe lacks any real mixups, has an awkward couple of lvl1 supers, and even with some fairly technical combo extensions his combo damage is pretty average, so overall he is not considered a high tier character. However, he has strong block string pressure and some zoning tools that can make him difficult to pin down and deal with in the neutral.

Moves List

Normal Moves

Move	Startup	Active	Recovery	Block Adv	Damage (Billions)	Properties	Notes
5A	7	2	9	-	920	Low	A fast shin kick. This is rapid cancellable and, has abnormally low recovery, a deceptively large hitbox, and also hits low, making dash jab strings using this move a cornerstone of Joe's offense.
2A	6	2	10	-	720	Low	A crouching kick. This hits low and is 1f faster startup than the 5A, but is outclassed in almost every other way by the 5A, so you don't see it as often.
5B	10	2	19	-	1480	-	A gut punch, joe leans forward and punches. Good for combo filler and can be useful for stabilizing some juggle situations.
2B	10	3	14	-	1365	-	A 2 hit crouching attack where he spins some kind of weapon upwards. Not particularly good.
5C	15	2	20	-	2500	-	A wild haymaker. Joe steps and follows through, moving forward a lot. Important combo filler, the forward movement also means you end up directly next to the opponent, which can be used for some guessing games (cancel into 236 kicks, throw, reset pressure into 5a, 2C)
2C	21	-	21	-	2000	-	Instead of a sweep, Joe jumps back and shoots a projectile at a downwards angle. Can't be comboed into, but can be baroqued and followed up with a dash 5L for a full combo, making it a decent bait/frame trap. Also hits OTG.
3C	13	4	20	-	2820	Launcher	A fairly standard launcher, upward palm strike. Has a good hitbox and pretty fast startup.
j.A	5	9	23	-	740	Overhead	A knee strike that angles downward. The hitbox is small, but it has fast startup, giving it high priority, and can be somewhat useful for iad pressure as well since it cancels into itself.
j.B	7	4	30	-	1360	Overhead	Upward angled jump kick, looks almost the same as Ken the Eagle's j.B but feels different because of his much faster jump arc. His most important combo filler normal, since you'll often have A and C held down for shurikens.
j.C	14	3	21	-	2700	Overhead	Joe flips and does a double axe handle punch. Hits downward so it is his most common move for IAD pressure, also has a hitbox behind him towards the end so it can be used to cross up.

Universal Mechanics

Move	Startup	Active	Recovery	Block Adv	Damage (Billions)	Properties	Notes
VAR starter	14	3	-	-	3200	-	Same animation as j.C
Counter Tag	27	4	21	-	2400	-	Same animation as his 3C, you can pick up off of it with 5B into most of his BNBs.
Assist (Savage Shot)	42	-	-	-	3850	Projectile	Joe has a fairly unique assist, shooting his gun upward at an angle several times. It whiffs against most grounded opponents so it's not very useful for pressure, and can hit a variable number of times, making the way hit hits unpredictable. However, it controls a large area of the screen in the air for a long duration, and can be good for specific combo extensions.
Forward Throw	-	-	-	-	5200	Throw	It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
Back Throw	-	-	-	-	5200	Throw	It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
Air Forward Throw	-	-	-	-	6000	Throw	It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
Air Back Throw	-	-	-	-	6000	Throw	It's a throw, use it as a reversal.

Special Moves

Move	Startup	Active	Recovery	Block Adv	Damage (Billions)	Properties	Notes
Wild Lasso [4]6A/B/C	17	16/19/21	26/28/36	-	4309	-	Joe shoots a lasso out of his gun, standing in place until it goes all the way out and back. If it hits, it pulls the enemy down in front of Joe and he shoots them in the head. The L version angles downwards, and can hit OTG to end combos, which is the only way you should really be using this move. Doesn't chip.
Savage Shot 623A/B/C	18	-	15/18/28	-	2950/3850/4699	Projectile	Joe angles his gun upwards and shoots 2/3/4 bullets into the air at an angle. Covers space very well, but is difficult to convert anything off of. Doesn't chip.
Savage Shot (air) j.623A/B/C	17/18/18	-	16/19/24	-	2950/3850/4699	Projectile	Joe angles his gun downward and shoots several bullets down from the air. Covers a decent area and is difficult to approach against. This and the aerial shuriken feather form the core of Joe's zoning game. It also leaves Joe at an advantage, allowing him to link off of it when juggling in the corner. Doesn't chip.
Shuriken Feather Hold Then Release A/B/C	16	-	23	-	1500/2200/2950	Projectile	One of Joe's most unique and important specials, the 3 buttons do increasing numbers of hits (1/2/3). These can be cancelled out of his specials and leave joe very advantageous, but can be avoided completely by crouching. Doesn't chip.
Shuriken Feather (air) Hold Then Release A/B/C	17	-	18	-	1500/2200/2950	Projectile	Once again a very important move for Joe. Not only are these good for zoning, but they leave Joe at an extreme advantage and are the cornerstone of all of his advanced juggle combos. Doesn't chip.
Battering Ram 236A/B/C	18/27/36	-	29/29/33	-	2800	-	A strong, forward advancing kick to the chest. The light version comes out fastest (able to combo from 5C) and gives a crumple which is only hittable for a short time. The medium version doesn't combo without baroque but gives a stagger. The heavy version starts up slowest, has armor, and gives a wall bounce.
Battering Ram 236A/B/C	18/27/36	-	29/29/33	-	2800	-	A strong, forward advancing kick to the chest. The light version comes out fastest (able to combo from 5C) and gives a crumple which is only hittable for a short time. The medium version doesn't combo without baroque but gives a stagger. The heavy version starts up slowest, has armor, and gives a wall bounce.
Cactus Bunker 214A/B/C	5	-	-	-	2800	-	Joe's counter, coolest looking move in the game. Short active time on this move, but can counter a variety of physical hits, and you can baroque to follow up afterwards.

Super Moves

Condor Magnum-236+Any two attack buttons (this super can also be done in the air)-Joe the Condor throws two sets of Shuriken Feathers, If the middle shuriken on the second set hits, it triggers a cutscene in which Joe punches the opponent so hard an explosion shoots out of their back. Both ground and air version do 9 hits (ground shooting the Shuriken Feathers straight across the screen; while in the air, shooting the feathers at a 45 degree declining angle) and the damage outputs are the same (does around 12.200 Billion Damage). This is a great way to end both ground and air combos with. If you miss the super, in the air Joe the Condor will simply teleport back to the ground and is pretty safe, but in the grounded version, he will do a little taunt-like animation and is open to attack. DHCing out of this attack on the same frame the triggering shuriken feather hits can cause a glitch that can make joe remain on the screen when he should tag out, or become invisible.
Bird Missile Strike-623+Any two attack buttons-Joe the Condor summons his ship. The ship shoots bullets along the ground while it shoots a missile in the air. 10 seconds later, the missile hits the ground, causing a large explosion. While the bullets varies on number of hits and damage output (due to where Joe the Condor and the enemy are on the screen), the missile, for 1 hit, does around 15,000 Billion Damage. If you are able to create a set-up where the missile hits, you can continue to ground or air combo your enemy. Be careful, if you do not jump out of the explosion (or block the explosion), you will take damage as well. All parts of this super hit OTG, but it is very difficult to make useful.
Science Ninpo: Tornado Fighter (Level 3 Super)-63214+Any two attack buttons (this super can also be done in the air)-Joe the Condor kicks the enemy in the air, and summons either Ken the Eagle or Jun the Swan (if she is your partner) to join him in a spinning bird dance (so powerful, in fact, they create a large tornado). This super does 33 hits, and does around 23,000 Billion Damage. This super is great to end your ground or air combos with. You can even connect A/B version of Ground Lasso to add more damage in the corner.

As An Assist

Joe the Condor jumps out and does his B version of Savage Shot. While his Assist is not great to combo with, it is good enough to use as an anti-air.

The Basics

Whie Joe can do decently well enough playing keepaway with his guns, his real strength comes in his high damage combos and tricky block strings. Most of his normal moves keep him moving forwards, and moves such as his confusing 2c, his counter attack, and his ability to cancel specials with shurikens can make it very difficult to figure out when you have an opening to attack him.
You'll want to omit 2b in his combo strings, since it scales damage poorly. The normal magic string you'll want to be using is just 2a,5b,5c.
Learning how to combo effectively in the air with the shurikens is key to unlocking Joe's damage potential. A good combo off of a standing launch would be something like:
2a(hold),5b,5c,3c(hold),(jump cancel),j.b,j.b,release a and immediately hold again,66,j.b,(jump cancel),j.b,release c,66,j.b,release a,623a,236ab
an easier, and one that also works off of an aerial launch, such as the wallbounce 41236c, would be:
3c(hold),(jump cancel),j.a,j.b,j.b,623b,release c,623b,236ab

Advanced Strategy

Match-Ups

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-*Wild Lasso-Charge 4 for a few seconds, then press 6A/B/C-Joe the Condor takes out his rope gun and slams the enemy down. He then takes out another gun and shoots the enemy in the back of their head. All three versions do the same amount of hits (5 hits) and has the same damage output (does around 4,300 Billion Damage). However, each version has its own trajectory. A version will shoot in a 45 degree declining angle, B version will shoot straight across the screen, and C version will shoot at a 45 degree inclining angle. The nice thing about Wild Lasso is after a knock down, you can combo into A/B (though B version is a little tricky and looks odd) version of Wild Lasso for more hits and damage (in this instance, this would be considered an off-the-ground (OTG) special move). You can also ground combo with A/B versions of Wild Lasso. C version of Wild Lasso can work as an anti-air, but the recovery on all versions of this move make it extremely risky to be thrown out.  It's very easy to punish on block.
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-*Savage Shot-623A/B/C (this move can also be done in the air)-Joe the Condor takes out his gun and shoots with it. Each version (both ground and air) has its own number of hits and damage output. All ground versions shoot at a 45 degree inclining angle: A version shoots 3 times and does around 3.,300 Billion Damage, B version shoots 4 times and does around 4,300 Billion Damage, and C version shoots 5 times and does around 5,300 Billion Damage. All air versions shoot at 45 degree declining angle: A version shoots 3 times and does around 2,900 Billion Damage, B version shoots 4 times and does around 3,850 Billion Damage, and C version shoots 5 times and does around 4,700 Billion Damage. In the corner, it is possible (with the right Assist) to go into a mini-loop with Joe the Condor's normal jumping Savage Shot loops (for instance, Kanji No Souki's Assist->Joe the Condor jumps, j.BB->B version Savage Shot->falling j.B->A version Savage Shot) repeat three or four times). This move is also great to use during an air combo, because it gives you enough frame advantage to hit a j.b in the corner and continue your combo. Note that the grounded version of this move will always whiff on standing opponents, no longer what range you are at.
+! Move !! Startup !! Active !! Recovery !! Block Adv !! Damage <br> (Billions) !! Properties !! Notes
-*Shuriken Feathers-Press and hold A/B/C, then release A/B/C when desired (this move can also be done in the air)-Joe the Condor throws feathers at his enemy. Each version has its own number of hits and damage output. A version does 1 hit and does around 1,500 Billion Damage, B version does 2 hits and does around 2,250 Billion Damage, and C version does 3 hits and does around 3,000 Billion Damage. These are great to use to surprise your enemy with this attack (since you simply hold a button down until you are ready to release it). You can also use these in both ground and air combos. You can create a long loop air combos if by using Shuriken Feathers, since they give you significant frame advantage, enough to dash in and then attack.  They're also very unique in that you can use them to cancel other special moves, however, they will whiff on crouching opponents.
-*Cactus Bunker-63214A/B/C-A counter special move. Joe the Condor turns his back on his enemy. If the enemy hits his back, the screen goes red, Joe turns black, and shoots the enemy with a large bullet (causing the enemy to go into a juggling state). You can juggle after this move, but it requires a baroque if the opponent is not extremely deep. This is great to use against offensive opponents (especially fighting against giants: Gold Lightan or PTX-40A)! Keep in mind that juggling off of this move will immediately scale the damage on your combo by 50%.
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-*Battering Ram-236A/B/C-Joe the Condor does a powerful kick. All three versions do 1 hit and has the same damage output (does around 2,800 Billion Damage). Each version has its own properties. A version will cause the enemy to go into a brief crumple stun, B version will make the enemy go into a stun state in which an attack will pop them up, and the C version will cause the enemy to bounce off the wall (or known as "wall bounce"). A version can naturally combo off of a 5c, but doesn't leave enough time to combo afterward naturally, however, it's fairly easy to combo by using a baroque or an assist (even an assist with very short hitstun such as ken the eagle will work if you time it correctly). B version, on the other hand, is too slow to combo off of a standing C without a baroque or assist, but leaves enough time to combo afterwards naturally.  Since this is one of the few moves that joe has that is capable of putting an opponent into a juggle state low to the ground, it is useful for setting up some more advanced combos. C version is very slow, and impossible to combo into without an assist with a long stun period, however, it has super armor, and as such can be used to go through and punish fireballs or other slow moves.
+| '''VAR starter''' || 14 || 3 || - || - || 3200 || - || Same animation as j.C
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+| '''Counter Tag''' || 27 || 4 || 21 || - || 2400 || - || Same animation as his 3C, you can pick up off of it with 5B into most of his BNBs.
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+| '''Assist <br> (Savage Shot)''' || 42 || - || - || - || 3850 || Projectile || Joe has a fairly unique assist, shooting his gun upward at an angle several times.  It whiffs against most grounded opponents so it's not very useful for pressure, and can hit a variable number of times, making the way hit hits unpredictable.  However, it controls a large area of the screen in the air for a long duration, and can be good for specific combo extensions.
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+| '''Forward Throw''' || - || - || - || - || 5200 || Throw || It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
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+| '''Back Throw''' || - || - || - || - || 5200 || Throw || It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
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+| '''Air Forward Throw''' || - || - || - || - || 6000 || Throw || It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
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+| '''Air Back Throw''' || - || - || - || - || 6000 || Throw || It's a throw, use it as a reversal.
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+===Special Moves===
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+! Move !! Startup !! Active !! Recovery !! Block Adv !! Damage <br> (Billions) !! Properties !! Notes
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+| '''Wild Lasso''' <br> [4]6A/B/C || 17 || 16/19/21 || 26/28/36 || - || 4309 || - || Joe shoots a lasso out of his gun, standing in place until it goes all the way out and back.  If it hits, it pulls the enemy down in front of Joe and he shoots them in the head.  The L version angles downwards, and can hit OTG to end combos, which is the only way you should really be using this move.  Doesn't chip.
+|-
+| '''Savage Shot''' <br> 623A/B/C || 18 || - || 15/18/28 || - || 2950/3850/4699 || Projectile || Joe angles his gun upwards and shoots 2/3/4 bullets into the air at an angle.  Covers space very well, but is difficult to convert anything off of.  Doesn't chip.
+|-
+| '''Savage Shot (air)''' <br> j.623A/B/C || 17/18/18 || - || 16/19/24 || - || 2950/3850/4699 || Projectile || Joe angles his gun downward and shoots several bullets down from the air.  Covers a decent area and is difficult to approach against.  This and the aerial shuriken feather form the core of Joe's zoning game.  It also leaves Joe at an advantage, allowing him to link off of it when juggling in the corner.  Doesn't chip.
+|-
+| '''Shuriken Feather''' Hold Then Release A/B/C || 16 || - || 23 || - || 1500/2200/2950 || Projectile || One of Joe's most unique and important specials, the 3 buttons do increasing numbers of hits (1/2/3).  These can be cancelled out of his specials and leave joe very advantageous, but can be avoided completely by crouching.  Doesn't chip.
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+| '''Shuriken Feather (air)''' Hold Then Release A/B/C || 17 || - || 18 || - || 1500/2200/2950 || Projectile || Once again a very important move for Joe.  Not only are these good for zoning, but they leave Joe at an extreme advantage and are the cornerstone of all of his advanced juggle combos. Doesn't chip.
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+| '''Battering Ram''' <br> 236A/B/C || 18/27/36 || - || 29/29/33 || - || 2800 || - || A strong, forward advancing kick to the chest.  The light version comes out fastest (able to combo from 5C) and gives a crumple which is only hittable for a short time.  The medium version doesn't combo without baroque but gives a stagger.  The heavy version starts up slowest, has armor, and gives a wall bounce.
+|-
+| '''Battering Ram''' <br> 236A/B/C || 18/27/36 || - || 29/29/33 || - || 2800 || - || A strong, forward advancing kick to the chest.  The light version comes out fastest (able to combo from 5C) and gives a crumple which is only hittable for a short time.  The medium version doesn't combo without baroque but gives a stagger.  The heavy version starts up slowest, has armor, and gives a wall bounce.
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+| '''Cactus Bunker''' <br> 214A/B/C || 5 || - || - || - || 2800 || - || Joe's counter, coolest looking move in the game.  Short active time on this move, but can counter a variety of physical hits, and you can baroque to follow up afterwards.
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 ==Super Moves==